Have you ever noticed how the fantasy and science fiction genres are grouped together, like salt & pepper or bread & butter. Many see them as a seamless combo, and that fans of one genre will automatically be devotees of the other. I love fantasy. I was raised on Tolkien and his tales of hobbits, orcs and dragons. But here’s the deal, huddle round closer and don’t breathe of a word for this is strictly between you and I….
I don’t like science fiction….
Gasp! Shock! Horror! Before I’m hung, drawn and quartered I’ll try and explain myself. Or rather I won’t for, if asked, I’m unable to put my finger on the reason why. I love escapism and unreal, futuristic settings. Give me a post apocalyptic movie and I’m as happy as Larry….whoever Larry is. I say yes to the sinister, the supernatural and the paranormal.
Zombies are my favourite ever big screen invention. Until they are invented, that is. For they are coming. Oh yes. But as for Chewbacca and R2D2. I’m just left cold. I watched the ‘Star Wars’ movies when I was a kid. But I didn’t fall in love with Princess Leia, I didn’t much care for what happened Han Solo and as for C3PO? Well, I found him incredibly irritating. To the point where I was rooting for Darth Vader and his armies of stormtroopers.
Then there’s Star Trek. The following will probably have some viewing me as a heretic and furiously hitting the unfollow button. So be it. But I never much cared for the original TV series. William Shatner’s acting was beyond hammy and the naff sets and special effects haven’t aged well at all. Leonard Nimoy raises an eyebrow and everyone goes into convulsions of ecstasy. Sorry, not my cup of tea.
I haven’t watched any of the current strain of ‘Star Wars’ or ‘Star Trek’ movies. I watched ‘Men In Black’ but it left me cold. Battlestar Galactica? Nope. The only possible exception is ‘The X Files.’ I was obsessed with Mulder and Scully. Then they kissed and everything was ruined forever. Did I tell you about the time I saw Gillian Anderson in Belfast? Oh ok, I’ll save that story for another day.
So, I’m throwing it out there to you lot. Are you happy with the SF & F genres being lumped together? Have elves & vulcans got more in common than I first thought? Would you foam at the mouth with disgust or delight if Gandalf appeared on the bridge of the USS Enterprise in some bonkers Hollywood LOTR/Star Trek crossover. As ever, leave your comments below. I’m looking forward to reading your thoughts.
I don’t even think that SF and speculative fiction should be lumped together. And fantasy can mean so many different things… but I suppose you could say that about lots of genres.
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Yes. It’s all very fluid & there’s a lot of crossover, I agree.
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Stephen, reading this post has forced me to realize how out of touch I am. At least you are familiar with the characters you don’t like – I don’t even know whom you are talking about. Alas, I live in a bubble and it is wonderful….slosh, blurp, gurgle.
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Ha Ha. Keep on bubbling 😂
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I love sci fi and fantasy both, and I can see why sci fi wouldn’t appeal to some people. There’s iften a need to explain things in sci fi, to slow things down and stop focusing on plot, character, or even theme so elements of minutiae can be highlighted. I think one can make fantasy that slows to a halt like that, but fantasy is often ancient or modern cultures with a couple new premises that people can grasp and apply quickly.
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Very valid point. I haven’t read much SF but I imagine it can get technical. World building is a craft in itself.
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I totally agree that science fiction and fantasy shouldn’t be grouped together. I also think horror novels shouldn’t be grouped together with thrillers. It’s not the same thing reading a story about a group trying to assassinate a political leader vs reading a story about a vampire cult taking over a Southern town.
I had a crush on Spock as a kid and cried when Nemoy died, but I won’t unfollow you.:-)
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Star Wars is awesome. Sorry to disagree with you. But I love fantasy, and I’m not a Trekkie… So we have that in common! 🤣
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Oh Shae. I’d forgive you anything 😊
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Aww, thanks 🤗
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Where would you put McAffrey? She sort of melds the two especially with the Pern novels
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I haven’t read any of her stuff so, sorry, can’t answer that one. Maybe I should?
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I always liked her stuff because she used the space exploration that led to colonization, then the planet got settled and they bioengineered these little fire lizards into dragons that scorch thread from the sky. It makes quite an interesting read.
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It sounds very interesting. Thank you for the recommendation. I’ll add her to my reading list 😊
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I have never liked SF either. It’s fantasy in the future, basically. The same patriarchal hierarchies with space ships & light sabers.
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Fantasy writers are becoming increasingly diverse with regards character development. I’ve just finished Samantha Shannon’s ‘Priory of the Orange Tree’ where the main characters were all powerful women.
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Hi. I am copletely on-board with this blog. I don’t understand why Sci-Fi and Fantasy are grouped together. My DD reads Fantasy books like they are going out of fashion, but give her SCi/Fi books and she won’t touch them. Don’t get me wrong, she can watch Trek/Wars etc and loves the films but she can’t read the books. I have also tried Assassins Creed//Star Wars and various other Science Fiction books and have had to DNF them.
Interestingly I don’t think thrillers should be grouped with horror either. I will happily read a thriller (Sidney Sheldon etc) but I can’t read horror. It’s just a no-no for me.
At least I know we are the only ones who feel that way. 🙂
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Agreed. Separating genres can be tricky these days, but fantasy and sci-fi are NOT the same thing. I’m a huge Narnia fan, but maybe that’s because the books were written for children (my kids and grandkids gave me the perfect excuse to read them over and over.) and they are by my favorite author. In my songwriting days I even wrote a “Ballad of Narnia.” I’ll have to post the lyrics one of these days. – Thanks for the idea! 😉
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Most definitely post the lyrics. C.S. Lewis is one of my favourite authors.
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Watch my blog after Father’s Day – I have a little something I want to post for my father(s) first. 😉
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Oh, ok. Looking forward to that.
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I avoided the Sci-Fi genre like the plague…until I married a scientist💜 Now I have someone who can explain all this stuff to me. I met him when the Star Trek-Next Generation series was in full swing and he shared the whole Borg episodes with me (of course, he taped all of them) and hooked me!
I get you, Stephen. It took me 10 years to watch Star Wars and understand the hype. I am more of a Star Trek fan as the Star Wars movies confused the heck out of me when they started the prequels. I didn’t even ask for help.
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Marrying a scientist is a sure fire way to get into sci fi! I’m impressed 😂
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We are alot alike on this subject. I too do not like science fiction but I love fantasy. I could watch Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit everyday. I’ve never seen Star Wars. I am not a fan at all of Sci-Fi. I love Game of Thrones and people assume I like Sci-Fi. Nothing about Game of Thrones is Sci-Fi. I don’t think dragons are Sci-Fi more fantasy I think. Great post
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Thank you. Yes, we do have similar tastes. Have you read any Samantha Shannon? ‘Priory of the Orange Tree’ is an epic fantasy tale. I also love Robin Hobb as well.
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I enjoy both, but they are very different. But my favorite sci-fi isn’t Star Wars. It’s the movie from a couple of years ago, “The Martian” with Matt Damon. An astronaut abandoned and alone on Mars who has to use science to survive. He’s smart and, as he says, has to “science the hell out of it.” It’s fiction and it’s science, so I guess that makes it science fiction, but it’s not all space ships and ray guns and hideous tentacled beasts. Same with the best sci-fi. I’ve always preferred reading my sci-fi to watching it on the screen.
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I haven’t seen that movie, I’ll have to check it out. Thank you for your comments, John 🙂
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I didn’t see the movie, but loved the book. The author is not a scientist by trade, but an amateur researcher. All the science in The Martian is real and based on what we know now, so is technically possible. Read the book. It is exciting, It is fun.
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I do have to say, Science Fiction movies and science fiction books are two very different things! Do you have the same aversion for the great SF authors?
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I haven’t really read any SF. Who do you suggest?
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I agree. Sci-fi and fantasy are very different and often seem mismatched. To me, some of that odd-couple strangeness is because space opera (a sub genre to sci-fi) tends to be the poster child for sci-fi. But sci-fi is pretty diverse. Mortal Engines, Divergent, Hunger Games, Back To The Future, all the Marvel movies… all sci-fi.
To be honest, while I have enjoyed both Star Trek and LOTR, I don’t typically gravitate to either Space Opera or High Fantasy. I enjoy more of the middle of the road SF & F fare.
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I’ve never heard of space opera. Thank you for educating me 🙂
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I used to read a lot of Piers Anthony and he was a mesh of sci fi and fantasy. I think u would really like him though because he is mostly a fantasy writer, plus he writes with a lot of humor, something I noticed in your writing🤗. Keep writing the good stuff!
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Thank you very much for the kind words. I hope you like my book when it comes out. It’s got a bit of everything in it 🙂
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Look forward to it.🙃
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Thank you 🙏🏻
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Ha, ha! First you say you don’t like Harry Potter, and now you say you’re a pure fantasy-ist. I think you’re drawing rather squiggly lines.
I enjoy many genres except for terrible writing. One reason I like science fiction is because of the reasonable explanation for things, the idea that what is happening really COULD happen if we were advanced enough to know how.
In that light, I do not have as much attachment to sci-fi that verges more on fantasy. I still like the “crossovers,” as you put them, but not as deeply or with as much appreciation.
(P.S. I finally sent you an article. Don’t let it get lost in your Spam folder or a time-space anomaly.)
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My lines are anything but squiggly, madam. I hope my book doesn’t end up in your ‘terrible writing’ pile 😬
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I’m not sure I have one of those.
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Hmmmm there is a distinction?
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I think so, don’t you?
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I have no clue… really…
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When they kissed on Granchester and Jack Taylor, the shows were ruined for me.
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Sorry, I just realized that neither of those shows are fantasy or science fiction. Lol!
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Ha Ha. Close but no cigar 😂
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I love it all – for different reasons. Should it be lumped together? Dear heavens, no! I don’t need that kind of genre fusion. I believe, though, that one of the greater gifts that SciFi has brought is the idea that “Hey, maybe this tech would work!” Looking at TOS of Star Trek (Shatner should have been in a can marked as Spam) what do you see? The first ideas of tablets and earbuds. Gene Roddenberry would have lost his marbles to see the teeny little bluetooth earbuds people wear now as opposed to the arrow through the head Uhura wore.
The bigger question in my mind is… Doctor Who? Where do you stand on that and why?
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Loving the Spam comparison. I’m not a big Dr. Who fan either. Tom Baker will always be Dr. Who to me. David Tennent was very good as well.
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I do love both science fiction and fantasy, but they are quite different for sure. I will excuse your lapse in judgment just this once…😉 The original three Star Wars movies transfixed me as a kid, and I so much enjoyed seeing my own kids enjoy them as much as I did.
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I grew up on the original “Star Trek”. As cheesy as William Shatner’s acting and the sets were, the show was light years ahead of its time in a cultural sense. What other TV series were integrated and treated women as equals? The “Prime Directive” – not to interfere with an alien society’s development – is a direct response to colonialism in its even well-intentioned forms.
Technologically speaking, many of the items on the show are no longer science fiction, but present reality. Someday we might get the whole “Beam me up, Scotty” thing down. Just saying…
I don’t have feelings one way or another regarding the lines or lack thereof between literary genres. I enjoy a good story regardless of classification. Much of my reading was directed by mentors and teachers who helped expand my perspective. Tolkien was my first exposure to fantasy. It was the 70s and hallucinogenic substances were involved the first time around. He was an even better writer after that…
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Blimey. That is a whole new way to experience Tolkien 😬
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Years ago, the great cinematographer Roger Deakins was asked if he was a fan of science fiction, he said he was but that he didn’t consider many mainstream works of today as sci-fi and said that franchises like Star Wars are more science fantasy than it is fiction, he added that many works of science fiction at least in terms of what’s been written in books will soon be categorized as science fact because of how far we are in technology.
This doesn’t seem to have any relation to what you’re trying to say but I should at least put it out there. As for me, I enjoy sci-fi books than I do films mainly because of how little films there are in that genre are actually good.
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Science fact draws closer every day, I guess. Thank you for your interesting thoughts.
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I totally agree with you. Star Trek & Wars- ugh! I do love sci-fi in the sense of post-apocalypse type novels, but they need to have a feeling of real-ness to them. As in, this authors interpretation could actually happen. Not only do Star Trek & Wars not have this feeling, they both have such generic aesthetic qualities.
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Oh, a woman after my own heart. At last 👍🏻
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I’m lucky about the sci-fi and fantasy I read these days, because so much of it is super grimdark and depressing.
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I meant to say “picky.” Autocorrect wins again.
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Any recommendations?
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I used to feel like this, until someone recommended I read the Iain M Banks books about The Culture. Now I can’t get enough and Sci Fi turned into one of my favourite genres.
The aspect I find most interesting is the social science side of it, how people act under different circumstances outside of what we understand as our normal.
I don’t think Science Fiction and Fantasy should be lumped together at all, they can be very different beasts.
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The only Iain Banks book I’ve read is ‘The Wasp Factory.’ It was brilliant.
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I highly recommend ‘The Player Of Games.’ 🙂
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Thank you. I’ll add it to my ever growing list of books to read 🙂
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I cant stand science fiction! I hate it!
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I’m not a big fan, either.
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This hurts. I write SF. It’s not all Star Wars and Star Trek. It is all over the map. I will say the new Star Trek Discovery is not like the others, and I liked it a lot. The new Picard looks interesting also, not typical fare. But what about Blade Runner? or The Matrix? CJ Cherry writes psychological SF that is quite personal and deep. I love William Gibson’s new stuff as much as his old stuff, and it is not like anything else. What about Ender’s Game? not the movie, the book. I highly recommend you try it. =)
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I’ve watched The Matrix but none of the others. The first Matrix movie was good, I wasn’t as keen on the others.
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Have you watched anything written by Philip K. Dick? Blade Runner, Minority Report, Next, Total Recall, Paycheck, or my personal favorite, The Adjustment Bureau? Brilliant novels adapted for the screen. I’m not sure if you’d like them, but the writer was hightly innovative.
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I’ve seen Total Recall and Minority Report.
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Thank you Stephen, for your courage in sharing your thoughts. You’ve clearly mulled it over and thought constructively and critically about it. And as always you’re encouraging discussion rather than disparaging a group or genre.
I think there’s merit to grouping sci fi and fantasy together in a broad sense. Both are fantastical settings for the most part, taking some of what exists and extrapolating far beyond that. BUT there’s often basis in real world for sci fi whereas fantasy is set in a completely different works or universe. 🤷♂️
I find I am drawn to individually well written stories, regardless if genre. But I’ll always have a soft spot for sci fi after my dad introduced me to Isaac Asimov! 😁
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Thank you for understanding Hamish 🙂
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